I did not see anything casual at the start by Vettel. The Merc is pretty good this year at starting and the Power of the Q3 map did really show. This is not going to happen on a "normal" track where the first corner is not 1km down the road. So overall the Ferrari again was the faster car, just the nature of the track favouring the best engine (Merc) and the subsequent loss of position prevented it today. Also the Mercs did not show that much of a tire issue throughout the race. So it's not about the tires alone that Ferrari has an advantage.wickedz50 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:16 pmFerrari was so much in joy from securing the 1-2 qualifying result that they forgot about the start today.. I felt Vettel was too casual at the start and was caught napping even after the safety car start..somebody needs to remind them that Bothas is not Palmer. Just by finishing ahead of Hamilton will not win then the WDC and WCC...Bothas will be crucial so please Ferrari start covering that danger too and not leave the door open.
Technically it was flames. But it was some carbon dust igniting, not the actual disk being on fire.dans79 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:35 pmThat was not what was shown here in the states, actual flames where shown.Chene_Mostert wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:34 pmPlease don't over exaggerate, just some glowing ignited carbon dust due to increased air content from wheel gun. Very common with carbon racing brakes.... if you pay attention to other cars, not just Mercedes Power Plus, you would have noticed many times before
Well, using the logic of the Ferrari fans from the past races, "The faster car won today" and that was not Ferrari. Rest everything is just excuses.
I guess we will just have to wait and see.stuartpengs wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:48 pm
I'm sure they do, and to be fair F1 teams are renowned for telling the truth......oh..wait...Chene_Mostert wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:53 pmI guess we will just have to wait and see.stuartpengs wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:48 pmI'm no dog in this endless and thoroughly petulant Ferrari/Mercedes, Vettel/Hamilton yadder, yadder, yadder, but do members of a technical forum really believe this line being put out by Ferrari. No matter how you look at it, it simply doesn't make any sense unless they're concerned with the turbos. If they expect them to be reliable there's no sense in rotation as you're cutting off one of the most fundamental development areas, coupled with the removal of the token system (yey!). Sorry, but any objective view should leave you with the view that they are having turbo reliability issues.
I'm sure their Technical people know a bit more than members of a "technical" forum?
The good start of bottaa is also due to the first gears on the Mercedes is shorter than the Ferrari. It also has better low end grunt. I am sure this is not the first time we will see this.Chene_Mostert wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:46 pmAdvantage still there, not massive, not masking the mediocracy any more, all they have is 8MPH straight line speed adv. Bottas brilliant here.
Why so mad m8? I hate mercedes and their cheating oil burn antics so much I'd rather see maldonado win again, but even then I'm not at all mad that bottas won today. It's clear as day merc won this in their overpowered engine off the start and trough the first stint, and that's it.GPR-A wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:44 pmWell, using the logic of the Ferrari fans from the past races, "The faster car won today" and that was not Ferrari. Rest everything is just excuses.
Honestly speaking, how was Ferrari faster? Bottas made a good start, kept getting away at the start and he was MAINTAINING the gap of 5 seconds in the first stint. Everytime Vettel put a faster lap, Bottas responded. That doesn't suggest to me that it was Ferrari who was faster. They ONLY SEEMED FASTER at the end because of Vettel pitting later and having 7 laps fresher set of tyres and Bottas made mistake and screwed up his tyres with a massive flat spot. With 8 MPH slower throughout the race on speed traps and doing nothing extraordinary in S2 or S3 in the first stint when situation was same for both cars while carrying race load, if someone says Ferrari was faster, that means, you did not pay attention to details.
Of course he did, check his team-mate and pace in Q and on Sunday. Ask Ferrari, Wolff, Lauda, Chthulu, check Friday FP. Most importantly watch the damn race: Ferrari were the quickest on SS, US and in Q and no amount of pushing unpleasant reality will help you with this poor spin.Juzh wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:07 pmAnd no, Bottas didn't beat 2 faster cars today. Bottas should have been on pole yesterday, but couldn't string a few good sectors together, seeing as his best sectors would put him comfortably on pole. How can you be so much faster on the straights and somehow end up third is quite astonishing really.
Hamilton was having a --- show since friday, not sure what was going on with him tbh.
It keeps amazing me how well organized, together and consistent their performance is. Again they put some teams with zillion dollar budgets and company backing to shame. It is nice to see that F1 still isn't all about the money, but that teamwork and driver skill still count.